vista windows mail reflections

Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator

"thecreator" wrote in message

Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator

You do know, don't you, that you can have more than one account in Windows Mail for the same user profile. And you can use message rules to send the incoming mail to different folders.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM Reply in newsgroup "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message

"thecreator" wrote in message Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator
You do know, don't you, that you can have more than one account in Windows Mail for the same user profile. And you can use message rules to send the incoming mail to different folders.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM Reply in newsgroup "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
Hi Frank,

You are missing the point. A Mail Account can be as many as one wants to use. Example: One @ Comcast, One @ GMail, and One @ Netzero all get downloaded into my say thecreator2006 for this year. Then I also have different file folders for different senders beneath My Inbox. Come next year, I start with thecreator2007 and new folders under Inbox.
With Outlook Express, I can switch Identities without the need to log off my present User ID which I would need to with Windows Vista and using Windows Mail. I can switch Identities with Outlook Express without quitting the program.
Understand now? I read all my mail while it is in the Inbox. From the Inbox, I move the Message to another folder to save and to find it later.
-- thecreator

"thecreator" wrote in message

Hi Frank,
You are missing the point. A Mail Account can be as many as one wants to use. Example: One @ Comcast, One @ GMail, and One @ Netzero all get downloaded into my say thecreator2006 for this year. Then I also have different file folders for different senders beneath My Inbox. Come next year, I start with thecreator2007 and new folders under Inbox.
With Outlook Express, I can switch Identities without the need to log off my present User ID which I would need to with Windows Vista and using Windows Mail. I can switch Identities with Outlook Express without quitting the program.
Understand now? I read all my mail while it is in the Inbox. From the Inbox, I move the Message to another folder to save and to find it later.

I'm not Frank, but you are missing the point he probably was trying to make. When the subject of identities came up more than a year ago, we were told that in Vista, there would no longer be identities and the subject was not open for discussion. We pointed out they were a way to cope with problems in a corrupted registry along with many of the other points you make. And we were told, that it was not possible to resurrect them for use in Windows Mail in Vista. When we pointed out that many of the same keys were still in the registry in Vista, we were again told, the subject was closed.
My point is saying this, is just to emphasize that we understand your disappointment and share it, but decisions have been made and they will not be altered at Microsoft by the development team. It's much too late in the development process of "locking code" to bring them back from the dead. Identities were an outstanding feature in IE5 and 6, but they along with Outlook Express are now considered to be "dodo birds" much like Windows 95/98, and are considered "extinct." -- Jim Pickering, MVP, Outlook Express https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=F9F51EF1-4AE3-4D23-B2D8-1171988A62D6 Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.

And the other thing to consider is that there will be 3rd party programs that may address the inadequacies that will be evident in the final release. The 3rd party programs can't be written though until they finalize the codebase.
steve
"Jim Pickering" wrote in message

"thecreator" wrote in message
Hi Frank,
You are missing the point. A Mail Account can be as many as one wants to use. Example: One @ Comcast, One @ GMail, and One @ Netzero all get downloaded into my say thecreator2006 for this year. Then I also have different file folders for different senders beneath My Inbox. Come next year, I start with thecreator2007 and new folders under Inbox.
With Outlook Express, I can switch Identities without the need to log off my present User ID which I would need to with Windows Vista and using Windows Mail. I can switch Identities with Outlook Express without quitting the program.
Understand now? I read all my mail while it is in the Inbox. From the Inbox, I move the Message to another folder to save and to find it later.
I'm not Frank, but you are missing the point he probably was trying to make. When the subject of identities came up more than a year ago, we were told that in Vista, there would no longer be identities and the subject was not open for discussion. We pointed out they were a way to cope with problems in a corrupted registry along with many of the other points you make. And we were told, that it was not possible to resurrect them for use in Windows Mail in Vista. When we pointed out that many of the same keys were still in the registry in Vista, we were again told, the subject was closed.
My point is saying this, is just to emphasize that we understand your disappointment and share it, but decisions have been made and they will not be altered at Microsoft by the development team. It's much too late in the development process of "locking code" to bring them back from the dead. Identities were an outstanding feature in IE5 and 6, but they along with Outlook Express are now considered to be "dodo birds" much like Windows 95/98, and are considered "extinct." -- Jim Pickering, MVP, Outlook Express https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=F9F51EF1-4AE3-4D23-B2D8-1171988A62D6 Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.

May I ask why you can't just make a folder for each year and put your old messages there?
"thecreator" wrote in message

Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator

Hi Chris,
I have a lot of Sub-folders under Inbox and also under Local Folders in Outlook Express. Can you do the same in Windows Mail? I belong to a few lists and get a lot of messages. Once the E-mails are download into Inbox, I move them / filed them into seperate folders, so I can find the messages later. I can go right to the E-mail Messages, without the need to search for the messages.Each person likes to do things they own way. This is my way. I don't like threads for E-mails.
-- thecreator
"Chris Altmann" wrote in message

May I ask why you can't just make a folder for each year and put your old messages there?
"thecreator" wrote in message Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator

"thecreator" wrote in message

Hi Chris,
I have a lot of Sub-folders under Inbox and also under Local Folders in Outlook Express. Can you do the same in Windows Mail? I belong to a few lists and get a lot of messages. Once the E-mails are download into Inbox, I move them / filed them into seperate folders, so I can find the messages later. I can go right to the E-mail Messages, without the need to search for the messages.Each person likes to do things they own way. This is my way. I don't like threads for E-mails.

Yes, you can do all that in WinMail.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Please reply in newsgroup. Do NOT send email.

they wanted to get rid of Identities with XP and decided to leave them there. but they were only there because previous versions of windows (other than NT) had no secure logon or file system. once logged in all files were visable. So in order to protect an individual's privacy OE had to handle its own security authentication of sorts.
just use a folder for the year and rules "by date" to copy them there and you could still read them all from the inbox, plus you wouldnt have to manually move them to a folder after you had read them, as a copy would already be there, and, you wouldnt have to change identities to look at a previous year either.
and dont forget you can have subfolders like
2006>Joe 2006>Joes Wife! 2006>TigerDirect 2006>My Company 2006>Saved
rules like if e-mail is "from" joes wife "and" "date is later than" 12/31/2004 then "copy to" 2005>joes wife "or" If date is later than" 12/31/2005 then "copy to" 2006>Joes Wife, this works without having to logon/logoff, switch Identities or save to another folder after reading.
And why are you talking to Joes wife anyway?....

"thecreator" wrote in message

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message "thecreator" wrote in message Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator
You do know, don't you, that you can have more than one account in Windows Mail for the same user profile. And you can use message rules to send the incoming mail to different folders.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM Reply in newsgroup "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
Hi Frank,
You are missing the point. A Mail Account can be as many as one wants to use. Example: One @ Comcast, One @ GMail, and One @ Netzero all get downloaded into my say thecreator2006 for this year. Then I also have different file folders for different senders beneath My Inbox. Come next year, I start with thecreator2007 and new folders under Inbox.
With Outlook Express, I can switch Identities without the need to log off my present User ID which I would need to with Windows Vista and using Windows Mail. I can switch Identities with Outlook Express without quitting the program.
Understand now? I read all my mail while it is in the Inbox. From the Inbox, I move the Message to another folder to save and to find it later.
-- thecreator

as Frank Say's, yes you can. I replied to one of you earlier posts in this thread (todayalso) giving more of a detailed example but the mail rules are actually very powerfull and can do quite a bit with them.. Try them out I'm sure they will work for you.
Rex Geissinger
"thecreator" wrote in message

Hi Chris,
I have a lot of Sub-folders under Inbox and also under Local Folders in Outlook Express. Can you do the same in Windows Mail? I belong to a few lists and get a lot of messages. Once the E-mails are download into Inbox, I move them / filed them into seperate folders, so I can find the messages later. I can go right to the E-mail Messages, without the need to search for the messages.Each person likes to do things they own way. This is my way. I don't like threads for E-mails.
-- thecreator
"Chris Altmann" wrote in message May I ask why you can't just make a folder for each year and put your old messages there?
"thecreator" wrote in message Hi All,
I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well with me.
In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.
Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
Ex: thecreator - 2006 thecreator - 2005 thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates from your other User Ids.
-- thecreator

hello creator,
i feel your pain. when i joined this newsgroup yesterday, i nearly fell out of my chair when i read that the identities feature was removed in the next version. i have at least 10 email accounts set up and this features makes it easy to keep track of everything.
i didn't have plans to make an "official" move to vista anytime soon after it goes live, so i'm hoping that someone will develop an add-on to handle this. i think we just have to be patient. i was going to wait at least 6 months and then start migrating everything over to vista, a little at a time, but now i will wait longer. i have this many email accounts for business and i also teach online and there is no way that i can log into each schools or clients mail server.
like you, i keep emails separated by year and within each year, i have a lot of folders.
i do know that it will be somewhat difficult to start building an add-on for this while vista is still in beta. unless you have a major requirement to switch to vista when it first comes out, i say keep using win xp/outlook express and see what happens 6 months to a year after it's released.
i've read that you can have both xp and vista on the same machine. if that's true, you can keep your email in outlook express and just switch between the os's. yep, that will be a pain, but you could have your cake and eat it too <smile>. 1 hang in there -- Indera * * * * * * * * * * Don't just live life. Live life well.
"thecreator" wrote in message : Hi All, : : I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In : Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows : Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional : Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs. : : If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well : with me. : : In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have : multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities. : : Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year. : : Ex: thecreator - 2006 : thecreator - 2005 : thecreator - 2004 and so forth. : : With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate : Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to : Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you : need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of : unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates : from your other User Ids. : : : -- : thecreator : :